What's everyone's opinions on PRS? I was on some email list from a pub venue down in Oxford and the pub has just closed, and the landlord declared bankrupt because they didn't/couldn't pay a fine to the PRS.
They didn't have a PRS licence in the first place and put a lot of live acts on. Their stance was that too much money went to the likes of Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney, and not enough to smaller acts. So they got found guilty and fined, but disputed the verdict.
I can imagine the PRS system does benefit big acts more than smaller ones, but is there a fairer way of doing things?
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by BimboLimboSpam on Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:04 pm
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by kearnsy on Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:39 pm
the prs & a host of others are in discussion at the moment with regards to bringing out a digital dj licence that allows you to rip up to 20,000 tracks to a hard drive and perform in pubs and the like
figures being banded around at the moment vary between £200- £1000
it's been in discussion for about 18 months or something now according to the forums i lurk on
personaly i think if the guy was putting on nights in a boozer without a licence then he shot himself in the foot.
figures being banded around at the moment vary between £200- £1000
it's been in discussion for about 18 months or something now according to the forums i lurk on
personaly i think if the guy was putting on nights in a boozer without a licence then he shot himself in the foot.
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by salmo on Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:40 pm
How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
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by BimboLimboSpam on Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:45 pm
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, San Serif, Arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by salmo</i>
<br />How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
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As far as I know, anyone can register with PRS but the way they collect their data on what's been played you'd have to get a fair amount of plays before you get picked up on their radar and paid anything.
<br />How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
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As far as I know, anyone can register with PRS but the way they collect their data on what's been played you'd have to get a fair amount of plays before you get picked up on their radar and paid anything.
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by sweary mary on Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:32 pm
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<br />How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
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As far as I know, anyone can register with PRS but the way they collect their data on what's been played you'd have to get a fair amount of plays before you get picked up on their radar and paid anything.
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Not just anyone can join as an artist- you have to meet certain criteria, like have been played on the radio a certain number of times.
Chocka will be able to tell you alot more about it as it's years since I've sniffed a PRS form.
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<br />How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
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As far as I know, anyone can register with PRS but the way they collect their data on what's been played you'd have to get a fair amount of plays before you get picked up on their radar and paid anything.
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Not just anyone can join as an artist- you have to meet certain criteria, like have been played on the radio a certain number of times.
Chocka will be able to tell you alot more about it as it's years since I've sniffed a PRS form.
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by hangontoyouregoism on Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:37 pm
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, San Serif, Arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BimboLimboSpam</i>
<br />What's everyone's opinions on PRS? I was on some email list from a pub venue down in Oxford and the pub has just closed, and the landlord declared bankrupt because they didn't/couldn't pay a fine to the PRS.
They didn't have a PRS licence in the first place and put a lot of live acts on. Their stance was that too much money went to the likes of Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney, and not enough to smaller acts. So they got found guilty and fined, but disputed the verdict.
I can imagine the PRS system does benefit big acts more than smaller ones, but is there a fairer way of doing things?
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Seems a dead pointless thing to write about if you're "imagining" what it does but not reading about it!
PRS is good.
If you have a publishing deal you still get 50% of your prs directly and you get whatever your split is with your publisher from your publisher. If you don't, you get 100%.
You get paid whether you have a publishing deal or not. That's what PRS is for.
Minimum payment is £30, so it's not exactly hugely skewed. If you don't think you'll make that, don't register.
The money is the same for everyone. Of course Michael Jackson gets more money than the fell in the pub, that's cos his songs are used a lot.
The fee generated is based on level of music usage and how big the audience (in a live setting) or the reach (on tv/radio etc) is. It's exactly the same for everyone.
<br />What's everyone's opinions on PRS? I was on some email list from a pub venue down in Oxford and the pub has just closed, and the landlord declared bankrupt because they didn't/couldn't pay a fine to the PRS.
They didn't have a PRS licence in the first place and put a lot of live acts on. Their stance was that too much money went to the likes of Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney, and not enough to smaller acts. So they got found guilty and fined, but disputed the verdict.
I can imagine the PRS system does benefit big acts more than smaller ones, but is there a fairer way of doing things?
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Seems a dead pointless thing to write about if you're "imagining" what it does but not reading about it!
PRS is good.
If you have a publishing deal you still get 50% of your prs directly and you get whatever your split is with your publisher from your publisher. If you don't, you get 100%.
You get paid whether you have a publishing deal or not. That's what PRS is for.
Minimum payment is £30, so it's not exactly hugely skewed. If you don't think you'll make that, don't register.
The money is the same for everyone. Of course Michael Jackson gets more money than the fell in the pub, that's cos his songs are used a lot.
The fee generated is based on level of music usage and how big the audience (in a live setting) or the reach (on tv/radio etc) is. It's exactly the same for everyone.
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by chockablock on Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:17 pm
> personaly i think if the guy was putting on nights in a boozer without a licence then he shot himself in the foot.
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> How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
as ego said, no. it's divvied up based on sampling of performances (live, radio, in store etc), there are definitely people at the bottom/starting end of things that get missed or underrepresented, but it's only pennies really
> Chocka will be able to tell you alot more about it as it's years since I've sniffed a PRS form.
same here love
generally the prs is a great thing. people should be paid for commercial exploitation (ok, use) of their music
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> How do you think they divvy up the royalities? Is it just artistes who have a publishing deal that get wonga?
as ego said, no. it's divvied up based on sampling of performances (live, radio, in store etc), there are definitely people at the bottom/starting end of things that get missed or underrepresented, but it's only pennies really
> Chocka will be able to tell you alot more about it as it's years since I've sniffed a PRS form.
same here love
generally the prs is a great thing. people should be paid for commercial exploitation (ok, use) of their music
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by BimboLimboSpam on Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:36 pm
The guy who owned the pub argued that bands hardly ever played covers and so no copyright was being violated. He also said that the PRS take into account the size of the room the bands play in, not the amount of people who attend and though the pub was pretty big, it was hardly ever full.
He got fined £3,400 - I don't know how much a PRS licence is or how long he went without one.
I've never heard of anyone who thinks the PRS is a bad thing per se, just wondered what people's opinions are on the way it's handled. Daft to just think you can get away with not paying just cos you don't agree with it though.
He got fined £3,400 - I don't know how much a PRS licence is or how long he went without one.
I've never heard of anyone who thinks the PRS is a bad thing per se, just wondered what people's opinions are on the way it's handled. Daft to just think you can get away with not paying just cos you don't agree with it though.
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by hangontoyouregoism on Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:23 pm
I seriously doubt that bands in a boozer hardly ever play covers.
However, it doesn't matter. He's robbing them of money by not paying.
It sounds like he's making things up a bit. If you're a pub and you have to close because you can't afford a £3400 fine... you've got serious financial problems. Perhaps the fact that he couldn't run a pub at a profit is the problem! I've worked in a lot of pubs and on good weekend you should be taking at least that amount of money over the bar.
Sounds like he's looking for stuff to blame for his own inadequacies.
Also, a fine HAS to be more than what a license costs, otherwise there is no point in acquiring a license... because people would just plump for the fine. It would be a bit of a flawed idea otherwise.
However, it doesn't matter. He's robbing them of money by not paying.
It sounds like he's making things up a bit. If you're a pub and you have to close because you can't afford a £3400 fine... you've got serious financial problems. Perhaps the fact that he couldn't run a pub at a profit is the problem! I've worked in a lot of pubs and on good weekend you should be taking at least that amount of money over the bar.
Sounds like he's looking for stuff to blame for his own inadequacies.
Also, a fine HAS to be more than what a license costs, otherwise there is no point in acquiring a license... because people would just plump for the fine. It would be a bit of a flawed idea otherwise.
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by BimboLimboSpam on Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:27 pm
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Also, a fine HAS to be more than what a license costs, otherwise there is no point in acquiring a license... because people would just plump for the fine. It would be a bit of a flawed idea otherwise.
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Yeah I know that, I'm just saying I don't know how large a fine that is in relation to the cost of a licence. Saying that, I saw someone get fined about £350 for driving without insurance the other day, not a bad deal.
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Also, a fine HAS to be more than what a license costs, otherwise there is no point in acquiring a license... because people would just plump for the fine. It would be a bit of a flawed idea otherwise.
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Yeah I know that, I'm just saying I don't know how large a fine that is in relation to the cost of a licence. Saying that, I saw someone get fined about £350 for driving without insurance the other day, not a bad deal.
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by chockablock on Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:36 pm
> He's robbing them of money by not paying.
altho the problem with the system is that the bands playing are unlikely to see the money paid
was gonna say if it was a big place but hardly ever full he should put better bands on/change jobs
i did think the license took into account opening hours, capacity AND average attendances but maybe i'm wrong on that last bit?
altho the problem with the system is that the bands playing are unlikely to see the money paid
was gonna say if it was a big place but hardly ever full he should put better bands on/change jobs
i did think the license took into account opening hours, capacity AND average attendances but maybe i'm wrong on that last bit?
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by hangontoyouregoism on Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:46 pm
It does.
It'd be like the equivalent of paying the same for music on a shit cable channel at 7pm and BBC 1 at 7pm. Everything is relative. He sounds like a moaning shit who should stop crying and change jobs.
It'd be like the equivalent of paying the same for music on a shit cable channel at 7pm and BBC 1 at 7pm. Everything is relative. He sounds like a moaning shit who should stop crying and change jobs.
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by magill on Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:57 pm
the pub fella can kiss it.
PRS is cool. i've got paid a decent wedge on a few occasions and my bands have hardly ever been on the radio. PRS works for smaller bands just as much as bigger ones. smaller musicians have just gotta be arsed to register though. the £100 joining fee puts alot of people off.
i saw the PRS statement for a member of a VERY popular liverpool band in december. this person earned £27 in december, and this band is BIG.it was funny.
PRS is cool. i've got paid a decent wedge on a few occasions and my bands have hardly ever been on the radio. PRS works for smaller bands just as much as bigger ones. smaller musicians have just gotta be arsed to register though. the £100 joining fee puts alot of people off.
i saw the PRS statement for a member of a VERY popular liverpool band in december. this person earned £27 in december, and this band is BIG.it was funny.
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by chris on Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:56 pm
boss, PRS is amazing
I was in the barbers in Fazakerly yesterday, the fella had a PRS license on the wall. Apparently PRS rang him up and asked if he had a radio, he said yes, so they said this is PRS here - you will need to pay £90 a year to play your radio as its playing music in a plublic place!
I also got contacted by PRS, they're sending me a cheque for 37p for an Academy 1 gig as part of a tour. I might spend it on a limo, loads of brasses and a double decker.
I was in the barbers in Fazakerly yesterday, the fella had a PRS license on the wall. Apparently PRS rang him up and asked if he had a radio, he said yes, so they said this is PRS here - you will need to pay £90 a year to play your radio as its playing music in a plublic place!
I also got contacted by PRS, they're sending me a cheque for 37p for an Academy 1 gig as part of a tour. I might spend it on a limo, loads of brasses and a double decker.
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